Comments on: We Don’t Do That Here http://www.jabizraisdana.com/blog/2010/07/we-dont-do-that-here/ Sat, 04 Feb 2012 02:00:21 +0000 hourly 1 http://wordpress.org/?v= By: Cory Plough http://www.jabizraisdana.com/blog/2010/07/we-dont-do-that-here/#comment-686 Cory Plough Mon, 02 Aug 2010 06:43:45 +0000 http://www.jabizraisdana.com/blog/?p=218#comment-686 Excellent post. I would completely agree (love the comment about echo-chambers and boot licking near the top) but have to question one thing. Without reading Alan's response to this, and I think Keri said he did, would challenge that he did this for one of two reasons you stated: laziness or misunderstanding. I think you were being too kind. When our kids plagiarize its often out of laziness or even misunderstanding (never taught about plagiarism). When an educated adult involved in a community of networking does this, I have to imagine its simply for glorification. Now, like I said, I didnt read his response, and I am not judging him personally on this, but if someone took a statement I made, a blog I posted, an article I wrote and simply copied it as his/her own, my first instinct would be that they just wanted credit for the idea which is much more about glory than about lethargy. Great post, thanks for supporting bloggers everywhere with this! Excellent post. I would completely agree (love the comment about echo-chambers and boot licking near the top) but have to question one thing. Without reading Alan’s response to this, and I think Keri said he did, would challenge that he did this for one of two reasons you stated: laziness or misunderstanding. I think you were being too kind.

When our kids plagiarize its often out of laziness or even misunderstanding (never taught about plagiarism). When an educated adult involved in a community of networking does this, I have to imagine its simply for glorification. Now, like I said, I didnt read his response, and I am not judging him personally on this, but if someone took a statement I made, a blog I posted, an article I wrote and simply copied it as his/her own, my first instinct would be that they just wanted credit for the idea which is much more about glory than about lethargy.

Great post, thanks for supporting bloggers everywhere with this!

]]> By: Keri-Lee Beasley http://www.jabizraisdana.com/blog/2010/07/we-dont-do-that-here/#comment-669 Keri-Lee Beasley Fri, 23 Jul 2010 05:35:25 +0000 http://www.jabizraisdana.com/blog/?p=218#comment-669 Hi Jabiz, What a fabulously written post on so many levels. Firstly, you highlight the sense of community, and strong ties that develop amongst educators in the edublogosphere. I certainly feel that, and I am honored you consider me part of your PLN. Secondly, you outline the unwritten code that we all believe in - share and share alike, but give credit where it is due. Perhaps the most impressive aspect of your post (at least, for me), is that you didn't use this as an opportunity to slate someone, but rather an opportunity for others to learn from. You identify us as a forgiving neighbourhood, which we definitely are. I don't want others to judge me solely on my mistakes - and I won't judge others on theirs. So I, like you, welcome Mr Cain into our community, where I look forward to his next blog post. On a more personal note, I thank you for standing beside me and bringing a new perspective to this issue. I certainly felt a sense of solidarity reading your post. Keri-Lee Hi Jabiz,

What a fabulously written post on so many levels.

Firstly, you highlight the sense of community, and strong ties that develop amongst educators in the edublogosphere. I certainly feel that, and I am honored you consider me part of your PLN.

Secondly, you outline the unwritten code that we all believe in – share and share alike, but give credit where it is due.

Perhaps the most impressive aspect of your post (at least, for me), is that you didn’t use this as an opportunity to slate someone, but rather an opportunity for others to learn from. You identify us as a forgiving neighbourhood, which we definitely are. I don’t want others to judge me solely on my mistakes – and I won’t judge others on theirs.

So I, like you, welcome Mr Cain into our community, where I look forward to his next blog post.

On a more personal note, I thank you for standing beside me and bringing a new perspective to this issue. I certainly felt a sense of solidarity reading your post.

Keri-Lee

]]> By: admin http://www.jabizraisdana.com/blog/2010/07/we-dont-do-that-here/#comment-668 admin Fri, 23 Jul 2010 00:29:20 +0000 http://www.jabizraisdana.com/blog/?p=218#comment-668 I think I was right that Alan was not trying to be malicious. Received this as a comment on his blog: I have send a mail to Keri-Lee Beasley giving her the acknowledgment she deserves and I have altered the post to reflect this. Also I am not a teacher I am just a normal everyday fella who likes to share good blog posts. He has also added a citation giving Keri-Lee credit for her work. Nicely done Alan. Hope to see you around the neighborhood. I think I was right that Alan was not trying to be malicious. Received this as a comment on his blog:

I have send a mail to Keri-Lee Beasley giving her the acknowledgment she deserves and I have altered the post to reflect this. Also I am not a teacher I am just a normal everyday fella who likes to share good blog posts.

He has also added a citation giving Keri-Lee credit for her work. Nicely done Alan. Hope to see you around the neighborhood.

]]> By: Kristin Hokanson http://www.jabizraisdana.com/blog/2010/07/we-dont-do-that-here/#comment-666 Kristin Hokanson Thu, 22 Jul 2010 19:29:57 +0000 http://www.jabizraisdana.com/blog/?p=218#comment-666 Jabiz- Thanks so much for sharing this post....I have been thinking about this a lot as I start to use posterous. For me it has been a way for me to instantaneously take ideas from a site, and reflect on it and post simultaneously in a number of places. It has jumpstarted me back into blogging a bit. But it definitely raises some questions. I wanted to share a story... This week I have been working on a tremendous program called <a href="http://powerfulvoices.posterous.com" rel="nofollow">Powerful Voices for Kids</a>. In trying to create an atmosphere of sharing, I have been trying to find articles related to the ideas of using media literacy strategy. The other day through google alerts I came across <a href="http://blackboxjournal.wordpress.com/2010/07/20/educate-yourself-about-media-and-government-propaganda/" rel="nofollow">this article</a> I wanted to share with the team. While there was a citation at the top "This is from an excellent website: classroomtools.com. Checkout the links below to help you Navigate your way through the Lies of Media Trickery!" in reading the page you would think that it was a collection of resources put together by the author... HOWEVER, when I scrolled to the bottom of the page there was a link <a href="http://www.classroomtools.com/prop.htm" rel="nofollow">return to the Propaganda in the Classroom page</a> . When I navigated to and through that page, I found <a href="http://www.classroomtools.com/proppage.htm" rel="nofollow">THIS PAGE</a> which was word for word what was posted on the blackbox page...and frankly, I was a little uncomfortable. <a href="http://khokanson.posterous.com/educate-yourself-your-students-about-media-an" rel="nofollow">here </a> is what I ended up sharing with the team, but it caused me to ask....when we have the ability to copy and post with the click of a button, how do you ensure that it is clear the source of things you post and what implication does it have in other places? Hope you don't mind that I repost this on my own site ;-) Jabiz-
Thanks so much for sharing this post….I have been thinking about this a lot as I start to use posterous. For me it has been a way for me to instantaneously take ideas from a site, and reflect on it and post simultaneously in a number of places. It has jumpstarted me back into blogging a bit. But it definitely raises some questions. I wanted to share a story…
This week I have been working on a tremendous program called Powerful Voices for Kids. In trying to create an atmosphere of sharing, I have been trying to find articles related to the ideas of using media literacy strategy. The other day through google alerts I came across this article I wanted to share with the team. While there was a citation at the top “This is from an excellent website: classroomtools.com. Checkout the links below to help you Navigate your way through the Lies of Media Trickery!” in reading the page you would think that it was a collection of resources put together by the author… HOWEVER, when I scrolled to the bottom of the page there was a link return to the Propaganda in the Classroom page . When I navigated to and through that page, I found THIS PAGE which was word for word what was posted on the blackbox page…and frankly, I was a little uncomfortable. here is what I ended up sharing with the team, but it caused me to ask….when we have the ability to copy and post with the click of a button, how do you ensure that it is clear the source of things you post and what implication does it have in other places? Hope you don’t mind that I repost this on my own site ;-)

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